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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Jun 27, 2012 6:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

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photo by Helen H. Richardson, The Denver Post, shows Colorado Springs fire on Tuesday, June 26, 2012

Wind gusts of 65 mph and the hottest day on record for Colorado Springs yesterday — the high hit 101 degrees — proved to be an explosive combination for the Waldo Canyon fire. Until yesterday afternoon, the Waldo Canyon fire had not touched a structure.

More than 30,000 homes were evacuated from Colorado Springs yesterday! This is epic! No one has seen conditions like these before. "I've seen a lot of fires, but I have never seen one move this quickly," El Paso county sheriff Maketa said. read the full story at The Denver Post website.

Boulder, Colorado is burning. Yesterday afternoon the scientists at NCAR (Nat'l Center for Atmospheric Research) had to evacuate from their facility in Boulder. The temperatures at night are staying very warm. I've never seen overnight temps here stay this warm. It's crazy!

I've lived in all these Colorado towns since 1979. I've never seen anything close to like these conditions. These are extremely unusual conditions for June... way too early in the fire season for this shit. The High Park fire outside of Fort Collins has burned over 87,000 acres and burned down 248 homes. The northwest side Colorado Springs probably lost hundreds more homes and businesses to fire last night. Road closures are in effect. What's next? When we do get some rainstorms, flash flooding is going to be a huge problem for these communities.

Tourism is Colorado's second largest "industry" - and it is going to take a huge hit here. This is devastating our lifestyle for Colorado living and playing. Take a good look at what global warming and climate change looks like. Does any one of our journalists, citizens, politicians, or leaders care enough about our kid's future to have this conversation? This is immoral.

Not to mention, two feet of rain in Florida. The formation of the fourth tropical storm of any Atlantic Hurricane season has never occurred in June — that was until Tropical Storm Debby took shape. Emergency managers in Pasco County on Florida's central Gulf Coast ordered a mandatory evacuation for 14,000 to 20,000 people living between the Anclote and Pithlachascotee Rivers. The Anclote rose from 9 feet before Debby's approach to more than 27 feet, well above major flood level, said Pasco County spokesman Eric Keaton.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 27, 2012 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

This has become horrific .

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Poster: Leobeerguy Date: Jun 27, 2012 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

I am in Loveland just ten miles south of Fort Collins, even here we have been getting really fine ash on our deck when the wind blows just right. Last night we could smell the fires burning south of us in Boulder. We do not have air conditioning in our old house so at night we use fans a lot to blow out the house. Lately it has been waking us up at night due to the smoke smell. Really bad. Our house smells like a old campfire. But we are lucky, we have our house, our belongings, our animals and no fires anywhere around us. I would like to ask anybody who would like to help in anyway to please donate any amount of money to the Red Cross. This money will go towards helping a lot of people who now have nothing left. Some of these people have nothing but the clothes on there backs. The fire in Colorado Springs is getting very scary as it is in a populated area. Just the idea of over 32,000 people being moved out of the way of the fire is pretty crazy when you think about it. It is bad enough that there has been almost 250 or more homes lost in the fire west of Fort Collins. Also there were 22 homes lost in Estes Park earlier this week. Again please donate to the Red Cross in Colorado if you can to help a lot people. When it comes right down to it the whole state of Colorado is on fire right now and it is only the end of June. Please keep these people in all of your thoughts and prayers. Thanks.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Jun 28, 2012 2:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

Bobby played his acoustic trio gig on June 3rd at the Mishawaka Amphitheatre in Poudre Canyon, with Robinson and Greene. Here are the tapes. This was right after the Hewlett Fire that burned nearby.

Billy and the 7 Walkers also had a gig scheduled at The Mish. They could have played there after the Hewlett Fire, but they had to cancel due to a bandmember's health issue.

The Mishawaka Amphitheatre in Poudre Canyon has been closed for a couple of weeks again, this time due to the High Park fire. DSO was scheduled to play there tomorrow night, on June 29. But instead, this Dark Star Orchestra concert has been moved to the Left Hand Brewing company in Longmont, Colorado. DSO's concert will benefit victims of the High Park Fire.

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Poster: Taper Corey Date: Jun 27, 2012 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

it isnt looking good. i live here in denver and all i see is smoke clouds every where. there is about 10 different fires going on in Colorado. ive never seen this before in colorado and i am native. 3rd generation. it is crazy and scary.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Jun 27, 2012 12:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

It's insane. Late last week I rode my bicycle to the south end of Fort Collins and saw a huge smoke plume from the Springer Mountain fire. At that time, Woodland Park High School was the evacuation center for people fleeing from that fire. Today, Woodland Park H.S. is being evacuated due to the Waldo Canyon fire. 32,000 people are evacuated due to Waldo fire, more warnings are going out. A 10-acre spot fire is burning on The Air Force Academy.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 27, 2012 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

I just got back last week from a 10 day trip to CO to see family. There was some smoke from the fires up North but the CO Springs one hadnt started yet. My Dad lives in the Springs but luckily he's out in the boonies on the plains so his house and they are safe. Air quality is obviously a concern. It was too hot when we there ( upper 90's ) and got even hotter after we left. Hope they are able to get a handle on it soon but it doesnt look good. In addition to peoplesd homes it would be a shame to see the air force stadium burned down or garden of the Gods etc.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Jun 27, 2012 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

Waldo Canyon fire is advancing north... over 15,750 acres burned, and it's at the edge of Air Force Academy. I think Woodland Park may be threatened also. There's gotta be many hundreds of homes lost in nw Colorado Springs, I'm guessing from several videos I just saw from news helicopters. Officials aren't giving out those numbers yet.

I would imagine Garden of The Gods is surrounded by fire. I lived just up the street from there, in The Cliff House, in Manitou Springs. This was my playground, along with Pikes Peak.

The Flagstaff fire is advancing slowly into Boulder. People are unsettled.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 27, 2012 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

Manitou is a neat little town. We just were at both Cave of the Winds and Garden of the Gods on Fathers Day ( you know how it is you never do the tourist things when you live there although I lived in South Denver not the Springs ). All I can say is I'm glad I'm not there now. Of course the people who's homes are buring or near burning have it the worst but I imagine the smoke and the heat is unbearable everywhere in the State.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 27, 2012 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

NCAR evacuated? Oh boy. And isn't that ironic.

Anyone else in Colorado besides Monte? What are you all experiencing/seeing/thinking?

Obviously we can't know if it's related to climate change -- science isn't that simple -- but I think we can agree that if there's climate change, it would look a lot like this :-(

Record temps here, too ... luckily the monsoon has started. (Late, and after lots of drought damage.)



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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Jun 27, 2012 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

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helicopter drops water on the Flagstaff Fire on June 26, 2012, in Boulder (photo by Jeremy Papasso)

Which way will the winds blow today?

What are NASA Scientists, and 97% of the World's Leading Climate Scientists saying? Bill McKibben is an environmental author of a dozen books about the environment. He says, "Warm air holds more water vapor than cold air. The Earth is getting warmer now. The planet's climate is 4% wetter than it was forty years ago. This causes devastating weather extremes that are linked to human-caused climate change." McKibben was interviewed about this last year.

Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased dramatically since 1900, when The Industrial Revolution took hold. Today these CO2 levels are being measured at 392 ppm. Increasing our annual CO2 emissions cannot be sustained.

• Conclusion about Global Warming Facts Reported by The Mainstream Media:

Mark Hertsgaard is an investigative reporter who has worked for more than 20 years on climate change. He is the environmental correspondent for The Nation magazine. His new book is Hot: Living Through the Next Fifty Years on Earth.

In an interview last year Mark Hertsgaard says, "[Here's] the problem. They [U.S. Senator James Inhofe, Fox News, U.S. Mainstream Media] are climate cranks. They like to be called "climate skeptics." And the media, I’m very sorry to say — the mainstream media, at least — calls them climate skeptics. They are not skeptics. Genuine skeptics are invaluable to science. That’s how science progresses, is with skepticism. But a true skeptic can be persuaded by evidence. They cannot. They have made up their minds for economic reasons or ideological reasons that they’re not going to believe in this. And because our country has allowed them to dominate the debate for 20 years, we’re now stuck with 50 more years of rising temperatures."
It’s very important to stay calm. If you got upset about any of this, you might forget how important it is not to disrupt the record profits of our fossil fuel companies. If worst ever did come to worst, it’s reassuring to remember what the U.S. Chamber of Commerce told the Environmental Protection Agency in a recent filing: that there’s no need to worry because “populations can acclimatize to warmer climates via a range of behavioral, physiological, and technological adaptations.” I’m pretty sure that’s what all the Sheeple are telling themselves.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 27, 2012 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

Btw Monte by "science isn't that simple" I didn't mean I give credence to the climate cranks -- good phrase (though I think a lot of the so-called "skeptics" aren't so much "cranks" as just "paid by ideological think tanks") -- I just meant that any one incident, or any series of incidents, can't definitively be blamed on "climate change" because weather, climate change, etc is complex. It's like cancer; we may know X causes cancer, and we may know that person Y has ingested X and later got cancer, but we can't definitively say that X caused Y. So IMO it's reasonable to associate the fires with global warming; they just didn't (and couldn't) come with a little promo that says "brought to you by global warming"!

Anyway, I think you all have been through the climate change discussion; just wanted to clarify.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Jun 27, 2012 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

There are millions of people in your region being impacted by this. Pakistan had historic flooding in 2010, leaving one-fifth of the country submerged. The monsoons are going to be altered. Snowpacks are melting rapidly where you are, so, that means sources of water will be gone soon. It's totally devastating. What I'm saying is, all this is happening right now, very quickly, under our noses, and our world leaders are saying and doing nothing. What about our kids?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 27, 2012 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

Leaving off the climate change arguments, Monty, are you personally affected at the moment? I can't quite figure out where you live. I hope you are not in harm's way!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 27, 2012 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

Definitely we're being impacted. Record keeping isn't good enough here to make a solid comparison, but as far as the records we DO have go, we've had record highs. I'm helping out a researcher on some related stuff on that right now. (Impact of climate change.) Which I'll get to once I stop procrasting on the forum, LOL.

Btw I don't think we have to know the exact, precise, water-tight causes to draw reasonable conclusions and take the best actions we can. If you're on the Titanic, you don't argue whether the "true cause" was an iceberg or a design flaw or something else!

What about our kids? Well, mine says things like, "Great planet you guys are leaving us." All I can really say is lame stuff like, "Uh, well, I don't use plastic bags ..."

:-(

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 27, 2012 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

It depends what you mean by "science" of course; idiosyncratic, singular events, can sometimes be explained in their entirety by "science", but you make the point that devastating fires are more complex.

To answer Monte's implied query, "why is Colorado burning?" we might find it's "absence of fuel load reduction due to suppression" + "regional drought" + "construction in fire prone ecosystems" + "climate change" or some such...hard to know without meta-analyses across many areas, time periods, etc., as to whether we can ascribe "96% attributable to climate change" or some such.

Except when I am teaching it, or droning on about it hereabouts, then SCIENCE is black and white, eh?

;)

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jun 27, 2012 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

In Chicago they blamed it on a cow.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 27, 2012 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Then there's this.........

Al Qaeda's Inspire Magazine Returns, Recommends Forest Fires As Next Great Terror Innovation


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/al-qaeda-inspire-magazine-returns_n_1475695.html

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 27, 2012 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

As I'm sure you're aware, Northern AZ has a huge problem with the amount of tinder in the form of dead/dying trees (a huge numer of which can be accredited to draught and/or previous fires). Plus we always have another huge problem with mental midgets leaving campfires not properly extinguished. Add in the marked increase in lightning strikes during our monsoon season and we have potential for massive problems this summer.
Now if we could increse funding for (and acceptance of) thinning along with making arson a federal crime punishable by firing squad we'd make a big dent in the number and severity of these blazes. The only plus though of the extended draught we've had is that with a virtually precipitation free winter, there is much less underbrush to add fuel. Well, I've got to head up to Payson and throw a few cigarette butts out the window...

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jun 27, 2012 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Colorado is burning - real, real, bad

If you need to get out and can make it to Ohio, I got a
place for ya Monte. Best of luck and good wishes to you.

edit~ holy fuckin shit...


This post was modified by craven714 on 2012-06-27 14:22:05